MyDD :: Springfield, Illinois

I'm going to vote and work hard for Obama no matter who is the vp candidate. And, as folks here know, I switched from Clinton to Obama back in January and have been critical of much of what she and Bill have done in the last months. I am not sure who would be the very best vp nominee. However, what Democrat could not get excited about the prospect of such a ticket?

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:34:01 PM EST
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Change that to "critical of some of what she and Bill have done in the last months"

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:35:04 PM EST
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Why was I downrated for correcting what I wrote?

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by politicsmatters on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:47:19 PM EST
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Dunno, there's been a lot of ratings abuse today. Mojoed.

by tommyslax on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:50:10 PM EST
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It would seem so. Either someone's not looking at the post usernames or you have a tr stalker. Uprated.

The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.

by mtnspirit on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:47:15 PM EST
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mojo rec

"But not me personally were those cheers for"

by QTG on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:33:49 PM EST

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If Obama is smart and wants to win he would pick Hillary Clinton .

However she is not going to be the VP .

The election is Teetering right now , with the new Indiana poll showing a 6 point lead for Mccain , Obama is going to fall below 270 for the first time as Indiana would go into Mccain's column.

264 - 261 with VA as the tie breaker according to electoralvote - com.

Its early but Clinton should be a no brainer for Obama.

However she is not going to be the nominee

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:34:13 PM EST

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I might be proven wrong on this but I can't imagine Obama wants Bill as the third wheel on the ticket. Whatever is going on with BC, and something odd clearly is, that is surely what would happen.

Here is a recent BC quote:

Speaking at the University of Nevada, the Democratic former commander-in-chief said, "Obviously, I favor Senator Obama's energy positions, and Democrats have been by and large the more forward-leaning actors. But John McCain has the best record of any Republican running for president on the energy issue and on climate change," according to the New York Times.

He has not been consistently and sufficiently supportive of Obama, and I think that becomes a problem. Unfortunately, Hillary has not separated herself from him politically, they have remained a partnership, and I don't know how you even begin to deal with that in a situation where she becomes VP.

I believe that this is one of the ways that partnership has harmed her; I actually think Bill largely cost her the primary.

I have no problem with her as VP, but if I was in the presidential spot, with Bill looming, I think I very well might.

by mady on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:47:53 PM EST
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i believe you are right he doesnt want Bill around and thats one of the reasons he is not going to pick her.

but the consequence of that choice is that he would even make it harded for him to get into the whitehouse.

its a double edged sword , the mccain camp would be praying hard he doesn't pick her

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:52:08 PM EST
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Bill is definitely an issue and, frankly, I have wondered how much he really wants Hillary to be president or vp. There are things he's said that seem to have undermined her campaign quite a lot.

But although he has weaknesses, he also has strengths.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:53:49 PM EST
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He should have said Obama was qualified in that ABc interview.

He obviously hasn't moved on totally but statements like that and Clinton's fisa vote tell me they knew for a while she wasn't in the running.

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:57:03 PM EST
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He did say Obama was qualified. Did you see the whole interview? I did. It was completely different than how it was reported.

by LakersFan on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:02:28 PM EST
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He said he was qualified under the constitution if I remember accurately.

Thats not really helping out lol. Obama's qualification vis a vis the threshold question was not really answered with that comment

I didn't watch the whole thing , so I may be wrong.

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:08:05 PM EST
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He said something along the lines of, "You could that no one is prepared to be President. I learned a lot in my first days..."

You can see the full interview here.
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex? id=5508611

You'll probably be surprised. Bill is actually very complimentary towards Obama. (But very critical of the media, which is why they chose to report this in such a negative and slanted fashion.)

by LakersFan on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:25:15 PM EST
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That should have been, "You could say that no one is prepared...."

by LakersFan on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:37:18 PM EST
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I've come around completely on Sen. Clinton, I think she would be a real asset to the ticket, and I've always liked Clark, so I hope your speculation proves true.

by tommyslax on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:34:39 PM EST

perhaps, perhaps, perhaps... (2.00 / 2)

more than the diary - politicsmatters - i am quite surprised to hear you hoping for clinton on the ticket. your disdain for all things clinton changed?

either way guess we'll all find out soon enough.

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:36:40 PM EST

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The polls changed ??

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:38:37 PM EST
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Polls? There are polls being done?

You would not have known that from this site or nothing...

On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....

by WashStateBlue on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:40:53 PM EST
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Huh? I'm just saying that this seems possible and it's exciting to me as I think about it.

Mydd seems more and more like a family with its feuds. Can we just talk to each other and not make snide comments?

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:42:21 PM EST
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It may have been a snide comment (I don't think so, as intent is difficult to judge) but the polls do matter, especially in what is proving to be a tight race. One job of a VP candidate is to draw votes, and I believe that Sen. Clinton is uniquely positioned among the VP candidates to do just that. Other candidates might do other VP jobs better (reinforcing the message, shoring up imagined or real weaknesses in policy positions), but Sen. Clinton could help swing some close states, like Indiana, into the D column.

by tommyslax on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:47:13 PM EST
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I have NEVER had a disdain for all things Clinton.

Please, CG, let's not do what Fox News and others do - oversimplify folks with whom we disagree and the criticize the false picture we've created.

I voted for Bill Clinton twice. I thought the impeachment was a travesty. I started out supporting Hillary and switched in January. And, yes, I was critical of some of what she did, particularly after it was mathematically impossible for her to win the pledged delegate lead. But that doesn't make me a hater and, again, would hope that we can be generous in spirit and kind to each other, since we are progressives who care to make this world better.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:40:45 PM EST
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well i take you words sincerely although they would have been received more warmly if they were uttered a couple of months ago. that said - i am not crazy about clinton on the ticket (although it may be the only winner).

clark would be nice. but neither of these picks seem likely. i thought so a week or so ago - but now not so much.

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:47:08 PM EST
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I've always said that I used to support Hillary and that I voted for Bill twice. Yes,I have had some problems with them. But I'm not the kind of person who writes people out of my life or my political orbit because I dislike some of what they do.

I don't get why you are so personal with me. That's not the way I conduct political discussion, so it seems kind of odd.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:52:17 PM EST
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personal? (2.00 / 1)

lol - um no. i am basing my comments solely on your conduct and words over the past 6 months here... that said im glad that you feel good enough about clinton now that this ticket would excite you.

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:03:24 PM EST
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Well, I'd like to say in this in the nicest possible way -- Please don't comment on what you expected from me because you really don't know me very well.

(And, frankly, I don't think I'd say things like that to even my best friends nor my husband. It just seems presumptuous to me, as if I have some special insight into everything they might say or do. But perhaps we have different views about how one interacts with others.)

And I promise to do the same when it comes to commenting on things you write. I'll comment on what you actually wrote and not what I thought you'd say.

Can we make that deal?

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:10:13 PM EST
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okay - this is boring me now. (none / 0)

okay - ill make a new deal with you - i wont take your history, reputation and my experiences with you into account when responding to your comments if you can assure me that everyone at MyDD will do the same to my beloved engels. okay?

if WE can make that deal - it might make the political debate a bit better here.

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:16:19 PM EST
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How can I possibly make a deal about what other people will do?

I'm talking about our interactions -- the only ones you and I have control over.

And I hear that it's boring you. Sorry about that. But you're the one who decided to comment on what your views of me rather than your views of what I wrote.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:22:36 PM EST
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The last poster anyone has to worry about here is Engels.

He has more hard core Obama fans that love him then I can count.

I saw someone sincerly ask him, no matter what the outcome (i.e. if Obama won) to come back and post anyway.

Personally, I have always dug posting with the Engels....

On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....

by WashStateBlue on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:26:27 PM EST
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What's Clark's state of residence?

by pomology on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:42:42 PM EST

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I don't know. But he was born in Chicago.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:55:04 PM EST
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Well, no matter what he has going for him, if he still lives in Illinois, he's not a very good pick.

by pomology on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:57:52 PM EST
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Yeah, too bad he has such a weak resume too:

Wesley Kanne Clark, KBE (born December 23, 1944) is a retired General of the United States Army. Clark was valedictorian of his class at West Point, was awarded a Rhodes Scholarship to the University of Oxford where he obtained a degree in Philosophy, Politics, and Economics (Philosophy, Politics & Economics), and later graduated from the Command and General Staff College with a master's degree in military science. He spent 34 years in the Army and the Department of Defense, receiving many military decorations, several honorary knighthoods, and a Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Clark commanded Operation Allied Force in the Kosovo War during his term as the Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO from 1997 to 2000.

Oh, yeah, Kosvo, that was the war we actually had a strategy and we won?

Wow, you wouldn't want the general that ran THAT campaign against the Iraq War crowd, would you?

Ok, but let's nominate Evan Bayh instead....

ARRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....

by WashStateBlue on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:59:16 PM EST
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born in Arkansas, lives in New York

"They are ever so much nicer at Tiffany's!"

by epiphany on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:58:25 PM EST
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sorry born in illinois, raised in arkansas, lives in new york

"They are ever so much nicer at Tiffany's!"

by epiphany on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:00:41 PM EST
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Thanks.

by pomology on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:02:11 PM EST
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Nope, the diarist is right:

Clark was born Wesley Kanne in Chicago on December 23, 1944. His father Benjamin died on December 6, 1948, following which his mother then moved the family to Little Rock, Arkansas.

On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....

by WashStateBlue on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:01:44 PM EST
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I think he's still an Arkansan.

by LakersFan on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:05:13 PM EST
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He seems to share a lot of home states with Hillary.

by pomology on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:07:36 PM EST
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Four days or slightly less. I think I can rec and mojo a few more Veep diaries, slightly fewer depending on if they have threats and demands and even fewer if they have a woe-is-me we're doomed by the stupidity of the average democrat who disappointed the credentialed and good-looking gentlemen of the world theme.

"But not me personally were those cheers for"

by QTG on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:43:09 PM EST

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WES WE CAN!

Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!

by spacemanspiff on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:50:26 PM EST

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Spaceman and me are still looking to draw to that inside straight.

Come on Obama team! Prove my contention that you are the smartest group around.

Obama/Clark'08, the spot is sitting right on my jeep bumper for that sticker...

On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....

by WashStateBlue on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:53:46 PM EST
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Of course Sebelius has been talked about a lot, too. But I think that a lateish announcement makes it more likely to be a very well known person.

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by politicsmatters on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:05:09 PM EST

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From CBS:

CBS News has confirmed that Barack Obama's campaign now plans to announce Obama's vice presidential choice to supporters via email and text message on Friday afternoon. (This plan could change, of course.)

He will then appear with his running mate at noon the next day in Springfield, Illinois, CBS News chief political consultant Marc Ambinder reports.

Media reports today have suggested that Indiana Senator Evan Bayh, Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine and Delaware Senator Joseph Biden as the names now atop Obama's list.

Another Clintonista against John McCain

by psychodrew on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:11:43 PM EST

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Oh, god, if it's Bayh, I'm going to need a whole lot of tequilla....

On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....

by WashStateBlue on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:15:27 PM EST

It's a Saturday! (none / 0)

Drink tequila, anyway. Live a little. ;)

Another Clintonista against John McCain

by psychodrew on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:22:36 PM EST
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So hoping for Clark, but think it's doubtful.

by mady on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:24:34 PM EST
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OBAMA/CLINTON

Hillary was born in Illinois.....

by nikkid on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:33:08 PM EST

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Yes, she was! Born and raised there. Does anyone know anything about Hillary's Saturday schedule?

The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.

by mtnspirit on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:59:27 PM EST
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We need a 'Dan Quayle' kind of Democrat.

"But not me personally were those cheers for"

by QTG on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:43:59 PM EST

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Naw, that's just setting the republican vp up for a good zinger at the debates: "I know Dan Quayle. Dan Quayle is a friend of mine. And you are NO Dan Quayle!"

The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.

by mtnspirit on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:01:17 PM EST
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